Episode #132 – FA Cup Preview, Woodward Leaving Manchester United, Tottenham Blasted By Chelsea,

In Episode #132 of the Squeaky Bum Time Podcast, Mike and Laurent discuss the very not-in-the-face but also in-the-face thrashing Chelsea handed Tottenham in the first leg of the Carabao Cup. Also:

  • Mike questions Manchester United fans who are celebrating the announcement of CEO Ed Woodward’s impending departure.
  • We go through a rapid-fire preview of ALL the FA Cup games!

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Transcript

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hello and welcome to the squeaky bum

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time podcast with mike and laurent it is

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friday january 7th the day after the

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insurrection in this episode chelsea

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stomp spurs lukaku is back on side man

00:14

united is in bus drawing mode but first

00:17

mike you came around in the carabao cup

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they got you you were ready and then uh

00:23

spurs

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are uh did the thing

00:26

that you know i know you don't like the

00:27

word this is fursy

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we were saying right before we recorded

00:33

that uh i i felt like tony soprano

00:37

they so screwed you they [ __ ] me they

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[ __ ] me i literally i was like i was

00:42

watching that game but not even that

00:44

game i was watching the first five

00:45

minutes of that game and the second the

00:47

ball left jaffa tanganga's foot in the

00:49

fourth minute of the game

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i and it goes in and i just felt like

00:54

tony and therapy like those

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[ __ ] those

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[ __ ] and i just i just

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why did i let them do this

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you you decided you decided by the way

01:04

we'll get into it but i do i'm gonna do

01:06

quick go through all the [ __ ] i don't

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think there's any that many others i'm

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just gonna run through it as fast as i

01:11

can and give me put a minute on the

01:14

clock swindon plays manchester city

01:16

tomorrow at noon noon mansfield town

01:18

middlesborough that's a lot of m's

01:20

hearty pool blackpool someone's gonna

01:21

jump in the pool it's not gonna be me

01:23

fulham bristol city i don't know where

01:25

those two teams play burnley versus

01:26

huddlesfield those are two terrible

01:28

places no one ever wants to go coventry

01:30

versus derby county that's a fun game

01:32

wayne rooney is the coach of the year in

01:34

england by the way check them out they

01:36

have a 21-point deficit they might get

01:37

out of the relegation zone [ __ ] you

01:39

newcastle coventry they wear sky blue i

01:41

like them in the most violent game of

01:43

the round millwall at home against

01:46

crystal palace there will be violence

01:49

no one likes us we don't care

01:51

newcastle cambridge united i don't know

01:53

what's going on there uh trippy has

01:54

signed petersboro bristol don't know

01:56

what that's going on there barnsley vs

01:58

barrow barrow is in the middle of

02:00

nowhere and they make submarines there

02:02

that is a cool town west brom versus

02:04

brighton and a battle of teams that used

02:05

to be in the championships and but now

02:07

they're not but west brom might be back

02:09

to play brighton again interesting

02:11

lester versus watford that's a premier

02:13

league game oh i didn't even notice that

02:15

the kitty minster harriers vs redding

02:17

wow kitty minster they're back hey

02:18

redding those are my friends

02:20

yeah port vale versus brantford i don't

02:22

know where port vale is but i like their

02:24

name wigan [ __ ] you wiggin i hate you

02:27

i'll always hate you wiggin athletic vs

02:29

blackburn rovers be on the lookout for

02:32

brereton diaz the man who became a

02:34

chilean amazing player qpr versus

02:37

rothenham i don't know where rotherham

02:38

is but i like qpr west london boreham

02:41

wood versus afc wimbledon boreham wood

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funny name wimbledon a cool scene first

02:46

dick joke of the show

02:47

hey

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that's what i've got borah we have a

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counter

02:51

hall city versus evilton hall city very

02:54

good in this competition made it to the

02:55

final against

02:57

arsene wenger many years ago it was the

02:59

first time chatter in 10 years

03:01

chelsea versus chesterfield chesterfield

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are

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13 unbeaten top of the national league

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they get a big payday good for

03:09

chesterfield same place as the

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cigarettes come from probably not uh

03:13

birmingham city versus plymouth argyle i

03:15

hear you can get good socks there it's

03:17

not the same i made that up swansea vs

03:19

southampton south coast lots of s's i

03:21

like that game not gonna watch it

03:23

yourville town versus bournemouth yeovil

03:25

is on the south coast bournemouth on the

03:26

south coast that is a very pleasant game

03:28

yeovil town is a very

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pretty seaside town if you ever go to

03:32

england i recommend going to yeovil

03:34

luton harrogate don't know stoke late

03:36

norian hey eddie hearn cardiff city

03:39

preston preston north end oldest team in

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england charlton norwich don't know much

03:43

about charton but they are in london

03:44

wolves sheffield united there's gonna be

03:46

overlapping fullbacks and guys doing

03:48

weird stuff oh now that's their old

03:49

coach this is a different sheffield

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united i don't know what they're up to

03:52

west ham versus leeds hey that's a

03:54

premier league game way to go tottenham

03:56

versus morgan we talked about the

03:57

shrimps and they're more come simon that

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was for you very funny

04:02

dirt she sent dirty pictures afterwards

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not of herself

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but you know that's my sister that would

04:07

be good really important really

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important distinction

04:10

liverpool versus shrewsbury shoot the

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shrews get to go to liverpool and play

04:14

good for them nottingham forest verse

04:16

arsenal in the battle of reds the

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two-time european champions nottingham

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forest get them they get to play arsenal

04:22

and we round off the fa cup third round

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one of the most glorious and biggest

04:28

days in english football with man united

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vs aston villa and i will tell you this

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villain's gonna beat united because they

04:36

are in disarray and we'll get after that

04:38

after you talk about spurs

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do i have to yes i do and here's why our

04:43

friend andrew hellman uh in uh the

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squeaky bum time facebook group

04:47

called me from the icl firm yes he's a

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double uh

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it's funny because um i had a

04:54

realization yesterday when i saw

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andrew's comment uh in the group that we

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are effectively

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are like him watching spurs [ __ ] the bet

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in the manner that they did and being a

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fan of the show and knowing that i am

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his first supporter he immediately felt

05:10

the shine fraud that i so often feel

05:13

when arsenal lose and i tune in to

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arsenal fan tv it's been a great season

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for me for united i love only out we got

05:20

like miles

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and hours and hours of olay out but so

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what i had the horrifying

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and sort of honored

05:29

feeling was that i'm somebody's arsenal

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fan tv

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that's a lot to take in for a spur

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supporter

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not

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good enough robbie

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it's got to go

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i i am uh

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no but they all do i am just i'm

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horrified and we got to give the people

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what they want so

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from top to bottom here are your squeaky

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bum time

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tottenham hotspur player ratings for the

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first leg of the carabao cup semi-final

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you're not out remember that no no no no

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i didn't say we were i just want all of

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these players out now if you've listened

06:09

to the show a lot you know that i'm not

06:11

overly dramatic in like these guys gotta

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go or whatever

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but there's guys seven players on the

06:18

field i think i want to keep maybe three

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of them okay okay so here we go i'm

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getting the catapult out i'm gonna shoot

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the following players into the [ __ ]

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sun okay

06:27

jaffa tanganga i feel bad because he's a

06:29

kid and he was putting a tough spot

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into the catapult you go

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boom he's gone okay by the way he was at

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fault for both goals the pass to emerson

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was short he telegraphed it and [ __ ]

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along was on it like a flash

06:45

yeah yeah yeah by the way that was such

06:47

an obvious when the lineups came out and

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we're playing this and alonzo is going

06:51

to be in an advanced position with

06:53

tanganga basically on that side you knew

06:57

that he was going to just abuse

06:58

tottenham for 90 minutes that's exactly

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what happened

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um he's been great [ __ ] hate him

07:03

dude like i was sweating like marcus

07:06

alonso playing mario kart that was

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horrible for 90 minutes um but actually

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i wasn't cause i was sitting there and i

07:13

was like you know what after two nothing

07:14

i just kind of like hello darkness my

07:16

old friend i just kind of sat there like

07:17

george costanza in the in the [ __ ]

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couch just like yep yep the [ __ ]

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sprinkled potato chip crumbs all over my

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[ __ ] chest

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uh it was bad

07:26

davidson sanchez had a

07:29

i'm gonna say this this is ridiculous he

07:31

had a good game and he was a victim of

07:35

his surroundings like we were talking

07:36

about with liverpool and

07:38

and chelsea

07:40

where where van dijk was only be able to

07:42

do so much because kanate was nowhere to

07:44

be seen the rest of tottenham's defense

07:46

was nowhere to be seen dave sanchez was

07:48

the only guy back there he was like can

07:50

i [ __ ] get some help from somewhere

07:52

are we calling him dave we use dave

07:53

sanchez i i like calling him dave he's a

07:55

friend of mine you know i call him what

07:56

the [ __ ] i want all right

07:58

so ben davies is going to get

08:01

scapegoated here

08:02

he's got to go and it's not fair he does

08:05

have to go he's a good rotational player

08:07

like for for a side like this

08:09

but my god we have to talk about his

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face

08:13

uh the hello darkness my old friend

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when the ball goes off of tanganga's

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forehead off of his forehead and

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honestly it was a great shot bang into

08:23

the net too

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the thing was is again tengan like

08:26

tenganga had time tanganga did not have

08:30

to clear it that way there was a easier

08:32

clearance yeah he just he needed a shout

08:35

he needed someone to say leave it there

08:37

was no one around and he cut and davis

08:40

is just saying is that is that chelsea

08:42

didn't chelsea created and were dominant

08:44

and all this stuff it was just two

08:46

little goals like it wasn't

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no they weren't i would say that they

08:50

were fine they were a beatable side they

08:52

did not play their nearly their best

08:54

lineup um

08:56

but there was just they were so dominant

08:58

though like you couldn't get the ball

09:00

but you would just hit the ball because

09:01

you had you didn't even let me start

09:03

getting going into this team matt

09:05

doherty at the left wing back i suppose

09:09

he's a right-handed a right-footed

09:10

player he's playing left-back

09:12

because we're not playing reggie on for

09:15

for reasons okay that's fine um he was

09:18

putrid again

09:20

um he literally looks like he's

09:22

forgotten how to play the sport like i

09:23

think mourinho broke him oh mourinho

09:25

broke him right in half but the thing is

09:27

is that mourinho sold kyle walker peters

09:31

to get to our next victim pierre emerick

09:34

hoibier he was bad oh

09:36

and then replaced kyle walker peters

09:39

with matt doherty so i just we're going

09:41

to talk a little bit more about jose in

09:43

the in the later part of the show when

09:45

we get back to united but i just

09:48

hoibear who we've sung praises on for a

09:50

while

09:51

it's just well it's just too many games

09:54

fine but the knives were out for him and

09:57

the weird thing is that he looks

09:59

remember at the euros where he was like

10:00

a top five player in the whole

10:01

tournament yeah because denmark is

10:03

awesome i mean but he was one of the

10:05

main reasons that denmark was pushing on

10:08

right and like yeah he just

10:10

all the matches i think i think the

10:12

thing the thing that i notice as i'm

10:13

looking at the lineups is

10:15

chelsea had one it was one of these

10:17

things where we don't notice it because

10:19

we're not

10:20

sophisticated enough and you're watching

10:22

the game you're feeling the emotion

10:23

whatever

10:24

what you could tell

10:26

was chelsea seemed to have an extra man

10:28

all the time

10:29

and what they were doing was and mount

10:31

seemed to be free all the time it was

10:33

either mount or alonso because of the

10:35

way they were set up they

10:38

it seemed that chelsea had the five men

10:40

in the back the midfield's empty the

10:42

three at the front are pressing but that

10:44

left skip and hoiberg on their own and

10:46

any time royale went with mason mount

10:49

alonzo went behind him anytime he went

10:51

to alonzo mount found a space in between

10:53

so they were just banging the ball

10:55

around there was no way for spurs

10:57

to look good in this game and i suppose

11:00

i didn't really watch much of the second

11:01

half uh but i would i would i would

11:04

support i mean i'm sure spurs played

11:05

better it's just natural

11:07

i mean okay spurs played better in the

11:08

second half in the context of the fact

11:10

that they didn't put a ball off of their

11:11

own player's face and into their own

11:12

[ __ ] net okay and they had shots on

11:15

goal uh sure

11:17

i believe they had two

11:19

they did they had two so like i mean

11:22

they got pantsed the entire game um

11:25

and and i think skip was fine i'm not

11:28

going to give skip any [ __ ] i thought

11:29

skip was fine too i think he just was

11:31

trying to run around i think cover for

11:33

spaces where they they just chased

11:35

shadows it was and at the master class

11:37

like at the front end of the field lucas

11:39

was doing actually a very similar job as

11:41

skip only more advanced uh emerson

11:44

is

11:46

he's fine he's not good but he he's his

11:49

ceiling is low

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so

11:51

see see i watched i watched it back for

11:54

a particular reason i wanted to because

11:56

i saw the first half stats i was like

11:58

what the [ __ ] happened

12:00

it wasn't lack of effort in this game no

12:03

spurs were running

12:05

spurs were getting after guys

12:07

it just seemed like

12:10

like i said when chelsea got the ball

12:11

they had it for 15 for five minutes and

12:14

whenever spurs got the ball it was two

12:16

passes and a [ __ ] up and if and if kane

12:18

got a hold of the ball there were three

12:20

guys on him right or if any of the front

12:22

right if any of the front players got on

12:24

the ball

12:25

someone was on them and then i felt like

12:27

i felt like doherty

12:30

was bad and emerson seemed to make a bad

12:32

pass and balls coming out of the back

12:34

were bad like the the build up attempts

12:37

by buy spurs were so bad and it really

12:40

came down to

12:43

when

12:44

spurs aren't deep enough yet

12:46

to not have

12:48

dire in the lineup you you realize oh

12:50

dyer makes good passes yeah right even

12:52

though he's slow and pretty headed

12:54

banging on dyer for what feels like

12:56

years is terrible

12:58

he's come along believe it or not and

13:00

then he can but he can pass the ball

13:03

right he can move the ball and then

13:05

sanchez in the middle of the three

13:08

it's not where he should be he needs to

13:09

be on the on the side of one so

13:11

everything got disjointed and spurs just

13:13

got whacked and it didn't really help

13:17

one of the reasons they got

13:18

kicked in they're not good enough

13:21

well of course

13:22

but

13:23

i'm gonna call him out because he's

13:26

getting along because he's friends with

13:27

tom [ __ ] holland hyundai son has been

13:31

invisible and awful for two months

13:34

you know what's hilarious is that

13:37

spurs i guess i think everybody must get

13:40

a representative for this

13:42

spurs nominated sunny for the premier

13:45

league player of the month today and i

13:47

went what the [ __ ] are you watching

13:50

because he's been

13:51

awful

13:52

awful he never gets [ __ ] from anyone but

13:55

he has been

13:56

so bad and honestly you could go back to

14:00

last season

14:01

right around christmas

14:03

so almost 365 days because he had that

14:06

obviously torrid start with kane and

14:08

they were unbelievable they were banging

14:10

in everything but then he sort of

14:13

started to tail off and then he went

14:15

just flat

14:16

flatlined right

14:18

and kane and hit and he and king don't

14:20

sync up anymore it's as if something

14:23

were to happen between two of them now

14:24

like you said

14:25

the only like two or three good balls

14:27

i've seen the whole game one was from

14:28

loris who by the way god bless him he

14:31

gets a 10 out of 10 just for [ __ ]

14:32

having to be behind all these morons

14:35

i love him and i am so sorry hugo please

14:38

don't ever leave us david

14:40

uh ben davey's face gets an

14:42

8. yeah absolutely but his play was a

14:46

four oh yeah kane was bad but it was

14:48

like what did you expect what do you

14:50

want him to do right how much further

14:52

back do you want him to d to drop and

14:54

the funny thing is there were a couple

14:56

of

14:56

times in in that game he needed to drop

14:59

in defensively

15:01

right

15:02

because so because he couldn't do his

15:03

[ __ ] job well because they were

15:05

outnumbered and and

15:06

uh saul and georginio

15:09

and they just were ping ping ping they

15:11

just there was nothing there was nothing

15:13

so it's very clear that you need help in

15:15

the middle of the park and so at

15:16

halftime you bring on tangy and dominate

15:18

it was fine who i've said

15:20

many times on the show is the most

15:22

talented player on the field almost all

15:25

of the time he's playing

15:26

on both teams and and that was true he

15:28

was he was he he breathed some life into

15:31

the side and again it's a two leg affair

15:34

if you got one back you're right back in

15:35

it you're going home you have a shot

15:38

um just nothing came from it

15:40

but now going into the second leg i'm

15:43

like you you have to start in dominate

15:45

fully knowing he may he may he may he

15:48

may think that he's going to get a

15:49

transfer by now and then i would hope so

15:52

but but i i

15:54

he's going to [ __ ] hit the stop

15:55

button be like i don't want to play

15:56

anymore i do want to give some

15:59

respect to chelsea one they played

16:01

really well they carried over how they

16:03

played versus liverpool they actually

16:05

played well even though they they drew

16:07

that game uh i thought ziech was really

16:09

good uh havertz was good lukaku i have

16:13

to say that tukol even though it became

16:15

a drama he gets

16:18

he gets respect for he gets lukaku to

16:22

apologize to the team on a [ __ ]

16:24

prison video and then brings him on side

16:26

didn't i tell you i would do that and

16:29

now he looks like a [ __ ] man

16:31

management genius that team now will

16:34

respect him always be like don't [ __ ]

16:36

with me yeah i will [ __ ] you

16:38

didn't i

16:39

i will drop you in the biggest game of

16:42

the year listen we gave two girls [ __ ] i

16:44

think on the last show or maybe one

16:45

before that and

16:47

but i said he's gonna play i thought he

16:49

would score i was surprised and he

16:50

missed a sitter or two but i i mean i

16:53

had lukaku scoring and chelsea winning i

16:56

thought it was going into this he was i

16:57

was excited but i thought we would lose

16:59

i did not think we would have uh uh

17:07

and here's the thing we're not going to

17:08

score three at home without chelsea's

17:10

score yeah have you scored three at home

17:12

all year yeah yeah against norwich but

17:15

like doesn't matter no it doesn't count

17:17

but my point is we're not going to get

17:18

three without chelsea getting one so

17:20

not that and i don't think away goals

17:22

counts so i think it goes straight to

17:23

penalties it does it does it does that's

17:25

all you need fine game on if you score

17:27

three if you win three one at home then

17:29

you have like a coin flip chance i guess

17:32

[ __ ] it why not [ __ ] it and then i did

17:34

notice that

17:36

one thing i did notice with uh keppa

17:38

he's a good passer

17:40

yeah no i think that was an underrated

17:41

thing at

17:43

chelsea being really pacey

17:45

and coming back at you really quickly

17:47

because there was a lot of long balls

17:48

and he'd get it and boom fire it right

17:51

into

17:51

soul and turn right back into the attack

17:53

and you'd be like this team is set up

17:55

though with lucas and sunny especially

17:58

with alonzo and and mount and georgino

18:00

sort of getting forward there was so

18:03

much room if you could get couldn't

18:05

sting anything together i know

18:07

and then worker is a [ __ ] and

18:09

sar i don't know who he is but he's a

18:11

bad [ __ ] too man they haven't

18:13

yet but he could be exposed sure sure

18:16

sure but uh i do want to go into

18:19

um another uh a team that used to wait

18:22

sorry i've got nothing

18:24

man united is back

18:26

and they are throwing their coach under

18:28

the bus

18:30

so if you haven't noticed they had a

18:32

poor game against uh against wolves and

18:34

i think rang nick is finally seeing

18:37

a [ __ ]

18:38

this is not shelka this is not germany

18:41

this is not red bull this is not some

18:44

little podunk oh we did this cool

18:46

project this is manchester united

18:49

and the players run the asylum and

18:51

apparently

18:53

there got the knives out for him the

18:55

players are unhappy

18:57

you know the quest the presses now kind

18:59

of going oh what has rang nick ever done

19:02

is that's the problem right if he tries

19:05

to pull what tukel just did which by the

19:07

way he more or less was on a lower level

19:10

trying to pull rank and be like i'm the

19:12

captain here and ever like you said the

19:15

natives are like no no you're not right

19:17

yeah you can't rank on ronaldo that

19:19

you'll the fans will turn there one man

19:22

in the world who can pull rank on

19:23

ronaldo and he's not coming back anytime

19:25

soon because he's like 85 [ __ ] years

19:27

old at this point that's right well i

19:28

think the other thing is like tuko has

19:30

more intensity

19:32

and more charisma than rangnik does

19:34

rangnick is chill he's an administrator

19:36

he's uh he's a professor he's a guy who

19:38

runs a school right he's just never had

19:41

to deal with a big stage and things

19:42

going sideways i think i think what's

19:44

happening is

19:46

for four years or three years they

19:48

haven't had to do [ __ ]

19:50

because all a was a [ __ ]

19:52

and rang nick's like

19:53

we're [ __ ] practicing yeah

19:56

he one of the first complaints was he

19:58

makes us stay after 5 p.m in the dark

20:01

okay yeah

20:02

you guys suck yeah

20:05

but i don't think that he has the

20:06

gravitas to get them to listen so he can

20:09

make them practice and he could be

20:11

telling them the greatest thing in the

20:13

world but the difference is is like

20:15

he's not steve gerard who can just walk

20:18

in here and be like who am i i'm steve

20:19

[ __ ] gerard that's who i am yeah

20:22

right right

20:23

right no i agree and so let's talk about

20:26

the real story of the day with

20:26

manchester united um ed woodward came

20:29

out earlier yesterday that he is going

20:31

to be stepping down at the end of

20:34

this was known but it was floating right

20:36

he didn't know when

20:38

first week of february which i found

20:39

ironically funny because it's the end of

20:41

the january transfer period feels

20:43

fitting

20:44

so

20:45

every manchester united fan that i know

20:47

was rejoicing oh thank goodness he's

20:49

gone he's finally gone he's out woodward

20:51

out blah blah blah let me ask some

20:54

how many teams

20:56

would be so lucky because i sure as [ __ ]

20:58

no one to have that level of involvement

21:02

that amount of spend right so what i'm

21:05

what my question for manchester united

21:06

fans here is what are you tasking

21:10

um woodward

21:11

with as far as transgender

21:13

transgressions go what has he done wrong

21:15

because for me here's what he's done

21:17

he's brought in romelu lukaku paul pogba

21:21

raphael varane i'm gonna miss a few

21:24

zlatan ibrahimovic angel di maria um

21:28

i mean i don't know cristiano ronaldo

21:32

like so there's there's just so many

21:36

impact players

21:38

that he coaches have said i want this

21:40

player and he has always as far as i

21:43

know alexis sanchez also by the way

21:45

flopped but

21:47

they had a huge i didn't hear people

21:49

yelling about ed woodward when they were

21:51

celebrating and retweeting the

21:53

manchester united uh video of alexis

21:57

playing glory gory man united at old

21:59

trafford on a [ __ ] piano i didn't see

22:01

that

22:02

so where were you then you can't do that

22:04

now i think i think where he was was

22:09

i think if the for for the

22:12

sorry for the run-of-the-mill sort of

22:15

men united fan

22:16

he was doing what they wanted him to do

22:18

he was buying famous players to fit into

22:21

the team he was more of a galactico

22:23

style and and the other thing was it

22:26

would never seem to be the right player

22:27

at the right time like it was always

22:29

late in the window or it was always

22:31

after oh city's going to get him oh now

22:34

we'll get him it always seemed reactive

22:37

and never seemed oh i don't know

22:42

but it never seemed polished early on i

22:45

think later windows were much better i

22:47

mean there were some bad ones like

22:48

schweinsteiger and schneiderlin

22:51

and you know just matic coming in late

22:53

like there were there were issues that

22:55

were bad but like i feel like the last

22:58

few windows

22:59

were much much better right when they

23:01

brought in the young guys and i think

23:03

the thing that [ __ ] up this team was

23:04

ronaldo i think he was out of the plans

23:07

they were gonna go with greenwood and

23:08

rashford and they panicked no but you

23:11

brought in you brought in varane you

23:12

said it on the show last week veranda

23:13

and ronaldo to the team who finished in

23:15

second place

23:16

yeah you should be better

23:18

right so is that down to woodward like i

23:20

don't know what is but he hired the

23:22

coaches he's

23:24

the organization hold on

23:27

okay since i mentioned sir alex since he

23:30

retired sir alex has had a hand in every

23:35

manager appointment

23:37

everyone

23:39

if i'm ed woodward

23:41

and part of my job is replacing sir alex

23:44

who by the way and you've said it on the

23:46

show before did everything he was the

23:49

judge jury and executioner he was a

23:50

coach he was the gm he was the transfer

23:53

everything right so you're trying to

23:55

replace one man with a couple so that's

23:58

obviously difficult you being one of

24:00

them you meaning ed woodward um

24:03

so right away

24:04

that's difficult in and of itself and he

24:06

was not set up to succeed he actually

24:08

did okay in a way that's what i mean

24:10

yeah at some point

24:12

how is this not more on the shoulders of

24:15

louis van gaal and jose mourinho and but

24:17

i think it is those guys did lose their

24:20

jobs

24:20

right right but like i

24:23

i struggle to understand

24:25

granted and by the way this is all a

24:27

symptom of the

24:28

um

24:29

the

24:32

the bar being so high for man united

24:34

right like so that's like you didn't

24:36

beat city and win the league and

24:37

liverpool has risen to power under this

24:40

regime i think therefore really really

24:43

really difficult one of the most if if

24:46

getting rid of an aging superstar is the

24:49

hardest thing to do getting rid of

24:51

an institution like or the transition

24:54

from an institution like

24:57

alex ferguson was even harder absolutely

25:00

way harder look at how

25:02

arsenal are just coming out of it

25:04

and they

25:06

worked hard at it i mean they they

25:07

chopped and changed and kind of watched

25:09

united was like wait a minute

25:10

something's [ __ ] up i think another

25:11

piece that's missing is woodward did

25:13

take over for

25:15

the he took over the whole organization

25:17

like there wasn't there was no la

25:19

holdover right and then the other piece

25:21

is the glazers are

25:23

the team has been not modern

25:26

set up for a long time i mean i think

25:28

the two model franchises as much as you

25:31

want to talk about money and whatever

25:33

and however you want to deal with it

25:34

chelsea does it one way

25:37

and city does it the other you can talk

25:40

about city money blah blah fact is they

25:43

spent the same amount of money as

25:44

manchester united and they've gotten way

25:46

more for it yep right absolutely right

25:48

like they don't they don't and this and

25:50

we make mistakes there are plenty of

25:52

mistakes of course

25:54

i mean how many center backs you talked

25:56

about a lot

25:57

this segways importantly into what our

26:01

good friend of the podcary has kind of

26:03

looked at it and said well

26:06

woodward sort of

26:08

ran the team as if he were running the

26:10

marketing wing only yes exactly and and

26:13

two or two to be fair he was and what he

26:16

was basically trying to do was have his

26:18

cake he needed to in the sense that he

26:19

was trying to have these big sexy

26:22

signings galactica as you said but sort

26:25

of barcelona e2 and it wasn't getting

26:28

late barcelona

26:30

late barcelona post

26:31

barcelona yeah yeah badly it was getting

26:35

instead of we we talked about it they

26:36

had a great defensive midfielder and if

26:38

they had gone and got declan rice

26:40

instead of iran and ronaldo they might

26:42

be in first place

26:44

um

26:45

right so

26:47

it's not getting the right man at the

26:49

job but also

26:51

that's so monday morning quarterback

26:53

that's so

26:54

difficult and frankly it's so easy for

26:56

you and me to sit here and say so i'm

26:58

going to take the opposite approach and

26:59

say wait a second

27:00

where were you not you where were the

27:03

proverbial um you know the woodward out

27:05

people people who they hammered him

27:09

that was that's what i'm saying where

27:10

were you

27:11

when when ronaldo was signing where were

27:13

you when people again was of course of

27:14

course

27:15

you were [ __ ] doing backflips when

27:17

cristiano ronaldo came back and he

27:18

didn't go to city so i don't want to

27:20

hear from you because the fact of the

27:21

matter is is that he gave you what you

27:24

wanted and then you realized what you

27:26

wanted wasn't what you needed and now

27:28

you're stuck with it and you're fighting

27:31

for the fourth place instead of fighting

27:33

for the title this is why fans should

27:36

this is why fans should not run teams

27:38

i've said

27:39

a million times right

27:41

city have bought and i know this as a

27:44

city fan city have bought players

27:47

not based on fame except for greelish

27:49

greely was weird

27:51

a little bit outside of

27:53

our normal purchases but bernardo silva

27:55

was just a guy uh david silva a great

27:58

player international for spain but not a

28:00

personality he was sort of a name but

28:03

but but right i mean they're not

28:04

personalities they're not right about

28:06

social media they're not

28:08

they're not shirts they they are spaced

28:10

they're being bought solely on their

28:13

proficiency right on them i would say

28:15

that they haven't shied away from names

28:17

necessarily but they have to have the

28:19

substance too raheem sterling was a name

28:21

john stone it was a name right like when

28:23

they bought him yeah um

28:25

so

28:26

but it's but it's prime it's not it's

28:28

not

28:29

popularity these players are i don't

28:31

know we see something that will fit

28:33

within our context yes

28:34

there is no context at united right and

28:37

and even if you have the uh

28:40

the

28:41

the you know the entourage or like the

28:45

excitement around you yeah it's because

28:47

city go okay that's fine well that means

28:49

we're gonna have to pay extra for him

28:50

like a grealish yeah i mean back when it

28:53

wasn't cool to be dropping 50 million a

28:55

piece on a player you dropped it for

28:56

sterling and

28:57

tons and tons of players okay you want

28:59

to talk about inflation think about the

29:01

the international transfer market

29:03

inflation in the last 10 years right

29:05

like like [ __ ]

29:07

i mean sterling

29:09

on any other team other than liverpool

29:11

or from going to any other team in city

29:13

probably 30 million and that's not a

29:15

slight on him that was a lot of money at

29:17

the time basically he's wilford zaha

29:20

what do you mean

29:22

he's essentially the same player

29:24

just that he got out of being i was sure

29:26

but he should have but if he was yeah he

29:28

would have just been that guy but what

29:30

i'm saying is that because city we're

29:32

like oh 30 [ __ ] it he here's 50 but have

29:34

him here tomorrow right like

29:36

like like you better drop him off and

29:38

make sure he's polished yeah right and

29:41

and city you know city do pay over the

29:43

margins and there's tons of players that

29:45

have come and gone guys that are like

29:47

negreto and wilford boney sure there's

29:50

tons and tons of mistakes and

29:52

weird guys that pellegrini like like

29:55

martin i wouldn't even see mistakes they

29:56

just they don't fit in with a certain

29:58

manager a certain system as well as

30:00

somebody might have thought um

30:02

sonia i mean these guys are

30:04

oh that's a good deep cut nice one

30:10

what a weird dude yeah i think he ended

30:12

up in frank i think he played for henry

30:15

in montreal yeah very weird um we do

30:18

have

30:20

other

30:21

news

30:22

uh i do want to take a minute i don't

30:25

remember what i was going to say about

30:27

weird transfers american players moving

30:30

oh yeah that's replaced we have pepe

30:32

going to oasburg from dallas for 25

30:35

million is that the highest

30:37

paid number for an american player well

30:39

pool usage but i mean from from mos no

30:41

but from mls that's

30:43

it probably is yeah that's a massive

30:45

number and that's a big deal right and

30:47

and again from augsburg right so

30:50

um

30:52

they're just above the right they're

30:54

they're a relegation team but they're

30:56

like in 12th or 13th we'll see he seems

30:58

to have good movement i'm interested in

31:00

what he did again here come the germans

31:02

swooping in finding

31:05

a a top american talent now they paid 25

31:08

million for them which is not your

31:09

normal that's a lot you know cut all

31:11

right that's a lot it's not your normal

31:13

cut rate say right like like we we had a

31:17

show a long time ago at this point where

31:18

we basically talked about how the

31:20

germans have identified

31:22

americans at an early age have the

31:24

athleticism and they can sort of be

31:26

taught

31:27

uh and they can be crafted into how to

31:29

play the game and all that stuff

31:31

geoarena comes to mind right now

31:32

obviously pulisic and others um uh

31:35

weston mckinney for one um

31:38

who by the way come on

31:40

come on power tg bring him to [ __ ]

31:42

tottenham um can he pass

31:44

yes better than pierre-emerick [ __ ]

31:46

hoiber he can

31:48

um

31:49

so

31:50

but yeah the germans basically strike

31:51

again and say this is a player who we

31:54

think we're going to invest 25 million

31:55

and we think we can turn him around for

31:57

75 to an english team in two years um so

32:03

and these are marketing ploys right the

32:05

german police

32:07

the german league is lousy at marketing

32:09

its league it's so insular it tries its

32:12

damndest but it just can't

32:15

penetrate the the us market the way the

32:17

premier league can this they've they

32:19

have all the production value it has the

32:21

louds fans it has everything i'll tell

32:24

you what it doesn't have any [ __ ]

32:26

competition

32:29

yeah no it doesn't and and we you've

32:31

said it many many times about how

32:32

basically they're all just feeder clubs

32:33

for bayern and it's true um

32:36

but he plays really well he goes to

32:37

bayern hey listen

32:39

we are less than a year away which

32:41

sounds ridiculous from the world cup and

32:43

so if ricardo pepe can get some real

32:45

minutes and and start to really craft

32:47

his game at that level at that european

32:49

level oh he becomes a player for this

32:52

year city player nycfc's own champion

32:56

center back julian sands goes to rangers

32:59

in scotland all right

33:01

all right i didn't see that one terrific

33:03

yeah yeah i think it's alone so he's

33:04

going to go and come back that's fine

33:06

that that's perfect yeah that's six but

33:09

scotland mls

33:11

they're above it they're above it i'll

33:13

tell you why they're above it for the

33:15

atmospheres they're above it for the

33:17

number of fans yeah for the well

33:18

whatever sure but for the

33:21

scottishness instead of englishness

33:22

right like they're they're

33:24

that

33:25

experience is going to teach you more

33:27

about the game than mls couldn't in six

33:29

months than mls could in 30 years yeah

33:31

he just placed to play one old firm

33:33

darby and be like oh [ __ ] yeah exactly

33:36

right this matters this is some this is

33:38

some old school [ __ ] this is right we're

33:41

gonna bomb your house right

33:43

from oh we're playing the houston dynamo

33:45

to that guy's gonna kill my family right

33:48

so this is real

33:50

it's a coming of age that

33:53

it's not just about equality can i just

33:55

pour a little bit out for sectarian

33:57

violence

33:58

my god

33:59

i love it so much on twitter when sans

34:02

got his thing someone made a joke about

34:04

sans who was one of the famous uh ira

34:07

hunger strikers who who didn't eat for

34:09

three weeks they're so on top of it

34:11

they're just like oh sans that's the

34:13

same name as the guy who who had a

34:14

hunger strike from the ira this happened

34:17

in the 80s like they're just on their

34:19

sectarian [ __ ] they've got songs about

34:22

killing people and bombings and iras

34:24

listen baseball bats so rangers are the

34:27

protestant team and celtic are the irish

34:29

team and glasgow goes to war

34:32

i'm sorry of the catholic team and glad

34:34

glasgow goes to war

34:36

fi they must have derby's like every

34:38

other day it seems like they play all

34:39

the time let me run back to chelsea

34:41

tottenham for one more thing because i

34:43

saw a club statement today from

34:44

tottenham and let me preface this by

34:47

saying i do not

34:48

condone homophobia or anything or any of

34:51

them i condone it

34:53

what i'm saying is that uh

34:56

there is a familiar chant and song about

34:59

chelsea being male prostitutes blah blah

35:02

rent boys rent boys is the term yes

35:04

correct and

35:06

they're

35:07

it's [ __ ] like that and and take take

35:10

but the away fans chanting yet army was

35:13

fine

35:14

well that's it's our thing right and

35:16

whatever i'm not saying what i'm saying

35:20

what i'm saying is that like you said

35:21

the depth of insult in europe

35:25

is so impressive

35:27

and and

35:28

yeah like they often cross lines i don't

35:30

think there's some real linecraft by the

35:32

way i don't think this is on the same

35:34

par as some other lines but the hissing

35:37

that's

35:38

about as bad as it gets that's about as

35:40

bad as it gets right and believe me a

35:42

lot of it is directed at tottenham fans

35:45

so if tottenham fans are making a couple

35:47

ha-ha-ha-ha-ha jokes

35:48

you know what while you guys are kicking

35:50

the living [ __ ] [ __ ] out of us

35:52

good on you good on you

35:54

but no no

35:56

did you hear it did they did you hear

35:58

the lukaku enter song

36:00

oh i don't oh yes i did i did i did he's

36:03

inter he's inter yeah romelu lukaku he's

36:06

into milan yeah yeah

36:08

yeah i mean look it's it's it's

36:11

the way that they can continue

36:14

oh they definitely can sometimes and you

36:16

know what the bridge wasn't that loud i

36:18

mean look it's a nothing game it was in

36:20

the bag earlier i thought it was pretty

36:22

rowdy then it seemed crowded oh actually

36:25

i thought that there were sections that

36:26

were empty i was actually sort of

36:27

surprised by that and i think that was

36:29

sort of at ticket allocation things and

36:31

whatever

36:32

i'm not criticizing either team and

36:34

again i'm not saying i condone the idea

36:37

of whatever but let's let's separate

36:40

for a second

36:41

the actual what that is

36:43

and just having a laugh right like

36:46

that's realistically where we are i know

36:47

that's impossible in the year:

36:49

get that the year of our lord:

36:51

year of our lord:

36:55

just

36:56

the depth that they go to to these these

36:59

songs these chants and again

37:01

they do cross lines sometimes but

37:04

the fact that they have so much vitriol

37:06

and it actually brought me back to

37:08

something i turned off the tottenham

37:09

game and i went

37:11

all right whatever uh i'll just watch

37:13

some hockey or whatever tonight and just

37:15

kind of cleanse my sports palette of

37:18

that nonsense

37:20

the worst part is that they don't have

37:23

anything else

37:24

so as much as i started drinking the

37:26

kool-aid and i started coming around and

37:28

i don't really care about the carabao

37:29

cup but [ __ ] it i'm in this time

37:32

they do this every time and i just was

37:34

like why aren't suicides higher in

37:38

england like oh they're high yeah

37:42

i don't get it no i think that they have

37:44

a they have a weirdly

37:46

less obsessive sport culture i don't

37:48

think that it's as 24 7 not as many

37:52

people have cable so they literally go

37:55

to games and watch match of the day that

37:57

is the extent of

37:59

footballness and twitter i think they're

38:01

much more sport twitter focused than we

38:03

are and i i do remember this

38:06

the it is much more casual i mean if you

38:08

think about our time at tops inside kik

38:11

the kids they don't

38:12

they don't

38:14

i don't get the sense that there's like

38:16

the the live or die stuff i don't know

38:18

it doesn't seem to be i mean it's just

38:20

different it's different

38:22

it's different i think

38:23

right oh no it is um and and

38:27

it's definitely it doesn't take on the

38:28

sort of like life or death kind of i

38:30

don't know maybe i mean i don't know

38:32

it's just different but then they get

38:33

excited about darts and i'm like what

38:35

the [ __ ] are you doing that's that would

38:37

be like

38:38

well yeah that would be like me watching

38:40

an nfl game on sunday and be like oh

38:42

bowling's on that's [ __ ] cool well if

38:44

it was only nfl

38:48

i would you might watch darts oh jesus

38:51

that's a

38:52

that's what i mean i might just [ __ ]

38:54

kill myself then i don't know yeah

38:56

uh i do want to go i want to go one more

38:58

round through the fa cup do you have any

39:01

games that you are interested in uh do

39:04

you pick it up so much so that i don't

39:06

even know

39:07

okay let me look at them let me oh no no

39:09

no there was uh one of the

39:12

i don't know any of the uh the

39:14

non-premier league sides if i'm being

39:16

quite honest but

39:17

west ham leads sounds really fun and

39:19

like you said man united aston villa

39:21

sounds awesome

39:22

um

39:25

no no those are the only two kitty

39:28

minster though i'm in on kitty minster

39:29

and reading because i think i told the

39:31

story on the show one time that i was uh

39:33

drinking at the holiday party for the

39:35

reading basically backroom staff uh two

39:38

years ago three years ago whatever it

39:40

was and so they're all really good i've

39:42

got a killer staff for you ready go for

39:43

it

39:45

chesterfield versus uh

39:47

chelsea this is only england has this

39:49

it's amazing chesterfield's won victory

39:52

against chelsea was back in october of

39:54

1905

39:56

in a league match winning one nil it was

39:59

chelsea's first ever home defeat in the

40:02

football league

40:04

wow

40:05

chelsea haven't faced chesterfield in

40:06

the fa cup since the:

40:09

all remember that winning three nothing

40:11

classic game winning three nothing in a

40:14

fifth round replay after a 1-1 draw oh

40:16

yeah that's one thing that we all

40:18

remember the fa cup normally has replays

40:21

they have repealed replays so these

40:24

games will go to extra time directly to

40:26

penalties replays were really cool for

40:28

the poor team wait wait wait wait wait

40:30

is it going to extra time or directly to

40:32

penalties extra time and penalties and

40:34

then penalties got it okay yes

40:36

got it that's good to know because

40:38

because in a in a late

40:40

1-1 game i'm gonna be kurt i would have

40:42

been cursing up and down like we got to

40:43

go play more come again this is [ __ ]

40:45

[ __ ]

40:47

yeah but for morkum for morkum it's it's

40:49

the greatest thing ever so we won't have

40:51

replays unfortunately which is some of

40:52

the most famous games so for for the

40:54

uninitiated the fa cup is

40:57

every team in england that is up and

40:59

down the country has a chance to be in

41:01

it there's a it starts with 792 teams

41:04

the

41:06

the

41:08

the

41:09

champion starts in august yes starting

41:11

august right the championship and the

41:13

premier league jump in in the third

41:15

round

41:17

so they have that nice opportunity to

41:18

bounce in after there's already been you

41:20

know

41:21

dozens and dozens around whittling it

41:23

down to i think this is 64. i think this

41:25

is right yeah like so you're talking

41:26

about almost 800 teams being whittled

41:28

down to i think yeah like you said i

41:30

think right so so when a team that is

41:32

non-league so non-league means you are

41:34

not professional you are outside of

41:37

league two which is the third tier down

41:40

so there's the premier league is 20

41:41

teams championship is 24. league one is

41:44

24. league two

41:46

is also 24. when you drop out of that

41:50

into the conference leagues you are

41:53

considered not in the in the

41:55

professional game you're in the you're

41:57

in a lower division right but those

41:59

teams are professional and

42:01

and the reason why we brought up that

42:02

chelsea game is that um

42:05

chelsea are playing the highest rated

42:07

team that are non-league so chesterfield

42:09

is currently sitting top of the

42:11

championship of the

42:14

the national the national league yeah

42:16

it's called

42:17

uh and they like i said they're

42:18

undefeated but it's very cool i mean

42:21

people [ __ ] on the fa cup a lot i find

42:24

it to be

42:25

[ __ ] fantastic

42:27

yeah some of my most my most painful

42:30

games have been specifically city losing

42:32

to [ __ ] wigan

42:34

and if if if wigan [ __ ] advances i

42:37

will be petrified of them because will

42:39

griggs was on fire when some

42:42

[ __ ]

42:43

and your defense was terrified no no

42:46

what what the hell was that what was the

42:47

the bald black midfielder that city had

42:50

oh god he plays for

42:52

he plays uh for everton now i can't

42:55

remember his name oh oh uh war 18. you

42:58

were number 18. yeah i can't remember

43:00

his name fabian delph yes he got sent

43:02

off in that game and paul and pep never

43:04

played him again yes that's right

43:06

i was you said one game that i really

43:09

should have called out

43:12

millwall versus crystal palace oh i'm

43:14

excited i'm gonna get up for that one on

43:16

saturday i'm very excited for that so so

43:19

famously millwall is known

43:21

for being the most violent and

43:23

disgusting fans in all of england west

43:26

ham and millwall

43:28

represent east london which is the most

43:30

working class part of london and

43:32

historically made up the most famous

43:34

soccer hooligans uh probably in the

43:37

heyday late 70s early 80s you can easily

43:40

find

43:41

half a dozen

43:43

coming-of-age stories of working-class

43:45

kids getting into fights

43:46

about it

43:49

all of them involve gary oldman

43:55

um they're really really good uh if you

43:58

like absurd movies with bad acting yeah

44:02

set they're basically movies that try

44:04

and

44:05

make working-class people seem stupid

44:07

for following football and you shouldn't

44:09

do this so

44:10

there was a concerted effort oh uh going

44:14

along you know

44:15

what we've talked about sometimes

44:17

jokingly sometimes not is the

44:18

hillsborough disaster that was really

44:20

like a class battle between the north

44:22

and the south of just like oh these

44:24

these stupid scousers got themselves

44:26

killed when in fact they actually

44:28

was was incompetent and was crushed

44:31

and they're still fighting about it

44:32

there's been a movie on in england that

44:34

talks about the documentary they won't

44:36

give it up

44:38

yeah

44:39

uh let's not end the show on that note

44:41

let's talk about something else before

44:42

we go we're not gonna we're not we're

44:43

not ending on people getting crushed no

44:46

no no no no no no no talk to me what

44:47

about bombing of the of the english

44:49

steven gerrard

44:51

i think this is his first time playing

44:52

united he's since he got sent off after

44:55

35 seconds yes correct

44:57

he's gonna have the boys jazzed to go

45:00

into old trafford

45:02

and i think they come out with a win and

45:03

you know why it's because ed woodward is

45:06

leaving

45:07

uh

45:08

if aston villa

45:10

beats united at united

45:12

it will only be the second time any team

45:15

has won twice at united in a season

45:18

chelsea:

45:20

i see it

45:21

and tottenham

45:23

in:

45:26

was the the two teams that you know the

45:28

third team was and we'll all remember

45:30

this again aston villa themselves have

45:32

done it in the 19 19 20 season so oh oh

45:36

you know when guys were walking around

45:38

with one leg after getting gassed and

45:39

bombed and they're correct oh give me

45:41

help me out and they've got one arm and

45:43

yeah chips on their faces from

45:46

from getting killed by germans

45:49

there it is the first time the first

45:51

time this is the first time technically

45:52

that is not a world war ii reference it

45:54

is like

45:55

you have your reference

45:57

all right although they did it

45:58

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